We are now at war - by NoonChild on 17:23 21 Mar 2003
Hard not to think about the war in Iraq and feel depressed and serious. I do not envy politicians, it must be so difficult to know what is the right thing to do all the time.
I'd like to know what peeps think about the war and related issues.
Please lets all respect each others views without getting angry or bitchy.
Hard not to think about the war in Iraq and feel depressed and serious. I do not envy politicians, it must be so difficult to know what is the right thing to do all the time.
I'd like to know what peeps think about the war and related issues.
Please lets all respect each others views without getting angry or bitchy.
We are now at war - by Arislyn on 17:36 21 Mar 2003
Honestly, I'm of a split mind about it.
On the one hand, I think we are doing the right thing in trying to get rid of any weapons of mass destruction that Saddam may have had. I feel like he had gracious plenty time to get rid of those weapons if he was going to. After all, I think he was told by the UN to get rid of everything way back during the Gulf War. In my opinion, 12 years is plenty of time.
However, I find myself wondering if perhaps Pres. Bush couldn't have handled things a wee bit differently. Now, don't get me wrong. That is a hard, hard job and one that you could not pay me enough money to do. I don't claim to know a better way to handle everything. I'm not usually very politically aware, to be honest. But, I've just been watching the growing amount of anti-Americanism and I can't help but wonder how that will affect things further down the road. I know we went through something similar during the Cold War but I don't know very much about that.
One thing that I would like to point out is that I fully support our troops overseas. I know that a lot of people are anti-war and are protesting, but one has to keep in mind that our soldiers are doing their duty by their country. They are fighting bravely to protect us. Any beef that one has should be with the government itself, who made the decision to go to war, not the troops.
Honestly, I'm of a split mind about it.
On the one hand, I think we are doing the right thing in trying to get rid of any weapons of mass destruction that Saddam may have had. I feel like he had gracious plenty time to get rid of those weapons if he was going to. After all, I think he was told by the UN to get rid of everything way back during the Gulf War. In my opinion, 12 years is plenty of time.
However, I find myself wondering if perhaps Pres. Bush couldn't have handled things a wee bit differently. Now, don't get me wrong. That is a hard, hard job and one that you could not pay me enough money to do. I don't claim to know a better way to handle everything. I'm not usually very politically aware, to be honest. But, I've just been watching the growing amount of anti-Americanism and I can't help but wonder how that will affect things further down the road. I know we went through something similar during the Cold War but I don't know very much about that.
One thing that I would like to point out is that I fully support our troops overseas. I know that a lot of people are anti-war and are protesting, but one has to keep in mind that our soldiers are doing their duty by their country. They are fighting bravely to protect us. Any beef that one has should be with the government itself, who made the decision to go to war, not the troops.
We are now at war - by Haruchai on 22:51 21 Mar 2003
Well said, Ari. I agree wholeheartedly.
Well said, Ari. I agree wholeheartedly.
We are now at war - by NoonChild on 02:45 22 Mar 2003
I agree that we need to make sure Saddams record of human rights violations doesn't go unnoticed, but as he has had 12yrs to disarm, I wonder why we are only acting now? Sept 11th? - if so it makes little sense as the infrastructure of Iraq will hardly affect the most hardline terrorist groups.
At the beginning I gave my support to Anti-war protests, as it seemed there was some progress being made by weapons inspectors, and also because George W's attitude really really scares me (no offense) but now the troops are out there I just hope that the losses on all sides are as low as possible.
I agree that we need to make sure Saddams record of human rights violations doesn't go unnoticed, but as he has had 12yrs to disarm, I wonder why we are only acting now? Sept 11th? - if so it makes little sense as the infrastructure of Iraq will hardly affect the most hardline terrorist groups.
At the beginning I gave my support to Anti-war protests, as it seemed there was some progress being made by weapons inspectors, and also because George W's attitude really really scares me (no offense) but now the troops are out there I just hope that the losses on all sides are as low as possible.
We are now at war - by din on 15:48 22 Mar 2003
there is little doubt that Sept 11 is the catalyst that started the chain of events that moved us into iraq again.
during the discussion of the war or the possibility of war months ago i was doing research on the italian invasion of Ethiopia in the mid thirties. one of the many, 'they should have knowns' leading to World War Two. Most everything about that and the current situation in Iraq are different except that the both Ethiopia and Italy were members of the League of Nations (which the UN replaced after WWII) and the League condemned Italy's actions, asked them to stop, told them to stop or else , etc. but in the end Ethiopia became Italian East Africa, an Itailian East Africa that was not particularly kind to its non-italian residents.
So i decided then that if the UN is going to decide that Iraq should do such and such a thing after he was then the UN should be able to back that up with more than warnings. Now whether that gives the current coalition the right to do what they are doing, who knows. ... Ultimately the only right answers will be found years after the event is over.
the administration (george sr.) and coalition that went in during the gulf war would have liked to have done the same thing that is being done now, but were operating under a strict UN mandate to only liberate kuwait.
support your armed forces, if you don't like what your government decides, vote differently and protest. we have those options, others do not.
above are only the facts as i remember them.
there is little doubt that Sept 11 is the catalyst that started the chain of events that moved us into iraq again.
during the discussion of the war or the possibility of war months ago i was doing research on the italian invasion of Ethiopia in the mid thirties. one of the many, 'they should have knowns' leading to World War Two. Most everything about that and the current situation in Iraq are different except that the both Ethiopia and Italy were members of the League of Nations (which the UN replaced after WWII) and the League condemned Italy's actions, asked them to stop, told them to stop or else , etc. but in the end Ethiopia became Italian East Africa, an Itailian East Africa that was not particularly kind to its non-italian residents.
So i decided then that if the UN is going to decide that Iraq should do such and such a thing after he was then the UN should be able to back that up with more than warnings. Now whether that gives the current coalition the right to do what they are doing, who knows. ... Ultimately the only right answers will be found years after the event is over.
the administration (george sr.) and coalition that went in during the gulf war would have liked to have done the same thing that is being done now, but were operating under a strict UN mandate to only liberate kuwait.
support your armed forces, if you don't like what your government decides, vote differently and protest. we have those options, others do not.
above are only the facts as i remember them.
We are now at war - by Arislyn on 17:55 22 Mar 2003
*smiles* None taken, NC. Honestly, I find that he scares me a bit, too. I find myself having a negative gut reaction to some of the things he has said. I've been sitting over here trying to analyze my feelings about it, and find that I'm having trouble putting a finger on exactly why I have the reaction that I do. Let me give it some more thought and I'll post again later.
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| George W's attitude really really scares me (no offense) |
*smiles* None taken, NC. Honestly, I find that he scares me a bit, too. I find myself having a negative gut reaction to some of the things he has said. I've been sitting over here trying to analyze my feelings about it, and find that I'm having trouble putting a finger on exactly why I have the reaction that I do. Let me give it some more thought and I'll post again later.
We are now at war - by Arislyn on 18:07 22 Mar 2003
As an afterthought, I figured I would post a link to the Dept. of Homeland Security website.
http://www.dhs.gov/dhspublic/
I also found this to be an interesting article:
http://slate.msn.com/id/2080455/
As an afterthought, I figured I would post a link to the Dept. of Homeland Security website.
http://www.dhs.gov/dhspublic/
I also found this to be an interesting article:
http://slate.msn.com/id/2080455/
We are now at war - by Haruchai on 19:13 22 Mar 2003
Hmmm.... interesting article, Ari. Though I don't particularly agree with everything George W. does, I also don't agree with everything that article says. But, now that we are over there, I will support our troops.
What does everyone think of North Korea... preparing for war? And Turkey, amassing troops on their border to allegedly disallow entry by refugees which are sure to come?
I think that things are about to get very complicated, very quickly.
"Terrorists" managed to infiltrate our 101st Marine camp, and grenade attack officer's tents, seriously injuring 10 people. That's just... scary. You mean to tell me that security was so lax that these people came in, whether from Kuwait or Iraq, and managed to pull off an attack? In our camp? What the heck are we doing over there? Taking ourselves way too d@mn seriously, if you ask me.
*sighs* I hope this wakes up our troops that we are at war. Those could have easily been chemical agents, and injured or killed many more soldiers than that. From what I can tell, they were able to infiltrate the camp, pull off the attack, and escape. That's right, I don't think we caught them. Now, grenades don't take terribly long to explode, so... how did they manage that?
This just seems like such a huge lapse in security to me.
Hmmm.... interesting article, Ari. Though I don't particularly agree with everything George W. does, I also don't agree with everything that article says. But, now that we are over there, I will support our troops.
What does everyone think of North Korea... preparing for war? And Turkey, amassing troops on their border to allegedly disallow entry by refugees which are sure to come?
I think that things are about to get very complicated, very quickly.
"Terrorists" managed to infiltrate our 101st Marine camp, and grenade attack officer's tents, seriously injuring 10 people. That's just... scary. You mean to tell me that security was so lax that these people came in, whether from Kuwait or Iraq, and managed to pull off an attack? In our camp? What the heck are we doing over there? Taking ourselves way too d@mn seriously, if you ask me.
*sighs* I hope this wakes up our troops that we are at war. Those could have easily been chemical agents, and injured or killed many more soldiers than that. From what I can tell, they were able to infiltrate the camp, pull off the attack, and escape. That's right, I don't think we caught them. Now, grenades don't take terribly long to explode, so... how did they manage that?
This just seems like such a huge lapse in security to me.
We are now at war - by VampirePrincess on 20:00 22 Mar 2003
I was a protester before the war happen because I did not want it to happen however know I am just here to support our solidiers and America. I learned not to be anti-American any more because I knew that allot times I am not that way at all. I support this country even if it is corrupt in many areas. I think throwing Saddam out is a good idea. We did put him in there and after screwing his people we should get him out before he really has the power to destory other nation.
The probably with protesters know is they do not know when to quite and learn at this moment they should be supporting our soliders and helping the Iraqi people and not causing trouble. I been saying taht and people think I am crazy or agree with me... But thats my opinion at this moment. Who cares if Bush is an idiot or not... Its about our soliders and the Iraqi people.
I was a protester before the war happen because I did not want it to happen however know I am just here to support our solidiers and America. I learned not to be anti-American any more because I knew that allot times I am not that way at all. I support this country even if it is corrupt in many areas. I think throwing Saddam out is a good idea. We did put him in there and after screwing his people we should get him out before he really has the power to destory other nation.
The probably with protesters know is they do not know when to quite and learn at this moment they should be supporting our soliders and helping the Iraqi people and not causing trouble. I been saying taht and people think I am crazy or agree with me... But thats my opinion at this moment. Who cares if Bush is an idiot or not... Its about our soliders and the Iraqi people.
We are now at war - by Rychaerde on 19:37 23 Mar 2003
Well, for myself, I am in the National Guard and so far, it appears my unit will not be activated. However, if called to go, I will, leaving my wife of 10 years and our two children behind in their defense and yours. I was on active duty, stationed at Ft Riley, KS when Saddam invaded Kuwait, and had PCS'd back to Germany before the Operation changed from Desert Shield to Desert Storm. Personally, I feel we should have been allowed to finish our job 12-years ago, but...well, let's just say I have no love for Politicians, per se. Though I am a "Warrior" in the strictest sense, I don't necessarily relish the thought of going to war, but in the light of 9-11 and the fact that Saddam has clearly renigged on the original resolution that he agreed to, ending Desert Storm, I feel that it in needed. A 'Necessary Evil', if you will, and if you would please pray for our soldiers, for their safety; their families, for strength during their loved-ones absence; our leaders, for wisdom; and, believe it or not, for Saddam himself, for the same; and finally, for the Iraqi people, as they are caught in the cross-fire.
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Ok, I'll get off my soap-box, now.
Well, for myself, I am in the National Guard and so far, it appears my unit will not be activated. However, if called to go, I will, leaving my wife of 10 years and our two children behind in their defense and yours. I was on active duty, stationed at Ft Riley, KS when Saddam invaded Kuwait, and had PCS'd back to Germany before the Operation changed from Desert Shield to Desert Storm. Personally, I feel we should have been allowed to finish our job 12-years ago, but...well, let's just say I have no love for Politicians, per se. Though I am a "Warrior" in the strictest sense, I don't necessarily relish the thought of going to war, but in the light of 9-11 and the fact that Saddam has clearly renigged on the original resolution that he agreed to, ending Desert Storm, I feel that it in needed. A 'Necessary Evil', if you will, and if you would please pray for our soldiers, for their safety; their families, for strength during their loved-ones absence; our leaders, for wisdom; and, believe it or not, for Saddam himself, for the same; and finally, for the Iraqi people, as they are caught in the cross-fire.
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Ok, I'll get off my soap-box, now.