I Want Vinyl Back!!! - by holsfisher on 16:44 03 Jul 2003
I've been going through my ever increasing sixties and seventies vinyl collection and feeling sad about the state of the British music industry (as yet again the record for lowest selling number one single is smashed) and I think the answer is to bring back vinyl. Its nice and frienly looking, and a better size and sound quality, and ..... well.... CDs are pants!!!!!!
I've been going through my ever increasing sixties and seventies vinyl collection and feeling sad about the state of the British music industry (as yet again the record for lowest selling number one single is smashed) and I think the answer is to bring back vinyl. Its nice and frienly looking, and a better size and sound quality, and ..... well.... CDs are pants!!!!!!
I Want Vinyl Back!!! - by Haruchai on 17:19 03 Jul 2003
*laughs* All the UK'ers I have talked to have used that pants phrase!
I like vinyl too, but I'm afraid it won't make much of a resurgence. Sorry!
Viva la 8-tracks!
*laughs* All the UK'ers I have talked to have used that pants phrase!
I like vinyl too, but I'm afraid it won't make much of a resurgence. Sorry!
Viva la 8-tracks!
I Want Vinyl Back!!! - by Brad on 20:32 03 Jul 2003
hols I feel your retro pain.
I remember 45 rpm records and we all bought single songs. LP's cam along, the price skyrocketed and on many albums you had to listen to 7 dud songs for 3 good ones. Only a few bands like Stones and Zepplin were able to put out whole albums with almost all good stuff.
I really think you have identified why downloading has taken off with the public. They can mix and match singles and burn their own CDs.
I know when Apple brought out their iTunes so I could buy single songs for .99 cents I jumped on it. (Still have not figured how to burn CD's but will get to that Real Soon Now.)
Er, all that is to say I agree.
hols I feel your retro pain.
I remember 45 rpm records and we all bought single songs. LP's cam along, the price skyrocketed and on many albums you had to listen to 7 dud songs for 3 good ones. Only a few bands like Stones and Zepplin were able to put out whole albums with almost all good stuff.
I really think you have identified why downloading has taken off with the public. They can mix and match singles and burn their own CDs.
I know when Apple brought out their iTunes so I could buy single songs for .99 cents I jumped on it. (Still have not figured how to burn CD's but will get to that Real Soon Now.)
Er, all that is to say I agree.
I Want Vinyl Back!!! - by Emperor TAR-1 on 09:38 05 Jul 2003
I've got hundreds of vinyl albums, plus hundreds of single 45's. I've put the same song on the changer and on a CD player and compared the sound, and the CD might have a more "flat" response and a more "accurate" sound, but it simply does not have as GOOD a sound.
It's a matter of money. Like noted above, they can force you to buy seven duds to get three decent recordings (BTW -- where did you find that good a ratio? I feel lucky if there are TWO decent numbers on a CD anymore!).
That's why I do NOT buy CD's. I have a cassette recorder built into my old changer/cassette/AM-FM radio set that records directly off the radio if anything comes on I want to ever hear again.
Maybe they can find a way to make it impossible to record from radio? I know they tried a crest/peak interference scheme that would make it impossible to directly record, but you can still put a mike by the speaker and record that way.
I was in the biz for some years. This "loss of royalties" whine is BS. The loss of sales has nothing to do with downloads. It has to do with people getting sick and tired of having to buy seven or eight pieces of crap to get one or two listenable numbers. The industry has shot itself in the ass, so wants the government to pass laws to MAKE you buy their crap!
Solution: start putting out singles again. The technology today is such that you could have master stores on the order of e-book kiosks in B&N etc. You code in the numbers you want, you put your ATM/credit card in the slot, you punch a button, and thirty seconds later a CD pops out with only the things you want on it.
Nah! Too obvious! -- and how would they ever sell you the CRAP that way!?
I've got hundreds of vinyl albums, plus hundreds of single 45's. I've put the same song on the changer and on a CD player and compared the sound, and the CD might have a more "flat" response and a more "accurate" sound, but it simply does not have as GOOD a sound.
It's a matter of money. Like noted above, they can force you to buy seven duds to get three decent recordings (BTW -- where did you find that good a ratio? I feel lucky if there are TWO decent numbers on a CD anymore!).
That's why I do NOT buy CD's. I have a cassette recorder built into my old changer/cassette/AM-FM radio set that records directly off the radio if anything comes on I want to ever hear again.
Maybe they can find a way to make it impossible to record from radio? I know they tried a crest/peak interference scheme that would make it impossible to directly record, but you can still put a mike by the speaker and record that way.
I was in the biz for some years. This "loss of royalties" whine is BS. The loss of sales has nothing to do with downloads. It has to do with people getting sick and tired of having to buy seven or eight pieces of crap to get one or two listenable numbers. The industry has shot itself in the ass, so wants the government to pass laws to MAKE you buy their crap!
Solution: start putting out singles again. The technology today is such that you could have master stores on the order of e-book kiosks in B&N etc. You code in the numbers you want, you put your ATM/credit card in the slot, you punch a button, and thirty seconds later a CD pops out with only the things you want on it.
Nah! Too obvious! -- and how would they ever sell you the CRAP that way!?
I Want Vinyl Back!!! - by Brad on 11:56 05 Jul 2003
I think two things are evident: people want pop/rock singles, and people don't want to buy a whole album to get them.
I think distributing singles on CD's is not very economical. I do think buying singles for downloading is very economical.
Back to vinyl. I listen to a lot of classical music. I notice that many of the last analog LP recordings sound much warmer than the early DDD (digital) recordings on LP's.
One thing: the effect of CD's for distribution has been good for classical music especially long numbers like symphonies. And CD's with digital remastering have helped resurrect historical recordings and have given them new life. I'm thinking of things like the "Living Stereo" recordings of Fritz Reiner conducting the Chicago SO in the 50's. Remastered these recordings are excellent and a real treat. Now they live on, whereas before they would simple be archived and unlistened too.
I think two things are evident: people want pop/rock singles, and people don't want to buy a whole album to get them.
I think distributing singles on CD's is not very economical. I do think buying singles for downloading is very economical.
Back to vinyl. I listen to a lot of classical music. I notice that many of the last analog LP recordings sound much warmer than the early DDD (digital) recordings on LP's.
One thing: the effect of CD's for distribution has been good for classical music especially long numbers like symphonies. And CD's with digital remastering have helped resurrect historical recordings and have given them new life. I'm thinking of things like the "Living Stereo" recordings of Fritz Reiner conducting the Chicago SO in the 50's. Remastered these recordings are excellent and a real treat. Now they live on, whereas before they would simple be archived and unlistened too.
I Want Vinyl Back!!! - by Emperor TAR-1 on 14:19 05 Jul 2003
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I think I didn't make myself clear. My suggestion was that one could go to such a kiosk and select a number of singles to put on one CD. I've recorded from three to twelve numbers on one CD right here for my neighbor, who's a jazz buff. He brings me the CD's with the selectiuons he wants, I burn them, one at the time, on the CD. He ends up with one CD with an hour and a half of the things he wants to hear.
In other words, the customer could select numbers to record from one to whatever the CD will hold. If you only want one or two or whatever, there would be an extra charge of, say, a buck for the CD. It could be put on CD-R, so you could insert it into the same machine later to add to it. Even have it so that the customer supplies the CD-R to be recorded to. thus one could build a collection over time.
There are many ways to accomplish it. It would still be selling singles. I think most people would be willing to bring in a CD-R and pay a buck to have songs the customer selects recorded on it. For what you pay for a CD with ten songs you don't want and two you do, you could get one with twelve songs you DO want. The industry investment would be the machines, that would be good for selling millions of recordings, and the cost of a zipped file of every recording on their list. It would be a heck of a lot cheaper to THEM, too.
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| I think two things are evident: people want pop/rock singles, and people don't want to buy a whole album to get them. I think distributing singles on CD's is not very economical. I do think buying singles for downloading is very economical. |
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I think I didn't make myself clear. My suggestion was that one could go to such a kiosk and select a number of singles to put on one CD. I've recorded from three to twelve numbers on one CD right here for my neighbor, who's a jazz buff. He brings me the CD's with the selectiuons he wants, I burn them, one at the time, on the CD. He ends up with one CD with an hour and a half of the things he wants to hear.
In other words, the customer could select numbers to record from one to whatever the CD will hold. If you only want one or two or whatever, there would be an extra charge of, say, a buck for the CD. It could be put on CD-R, so you could insert it into the same machine later to add to it. Even have it so that the customer supplies the CD-R to be recorded to. thus one could build a collection over time.
There are many ways to accomplish it. It would still be selling singles. I think most people would be willing to bring in a CD-R and pay a buck to have songs the customer selects recorded on it. For what you pay for a CD with ten songs you don't want and two you do, you could get one with twelve songs you DO want. The industry investment would be the machines, that would be good for selling millions of recordings, and the cost of a zipped file of every recording on their list. It would be a heck of a lot cheaper to THEM, too.
I Want Vinyl Back!!! - by holsfisher on 13:44 09 Jul 2003
Umm....feel the need to point out here that in Britain you can still buy singles, on CD or cassette. However, they are far too expensive. Its £3.00 for a CD single (thats about $4.50, I think) and an album is £10.00 so you get three singles for the price of one album. Since UK albums have up to five (yes five!) singles on each one, people see this as a total rip off, and most bands make a loss on any single they put out, with occasional exceptions, like Oasis. Because people feel the price is too high, sales are dropping and dropping, people are finding new things to spend they're hard earned money on, and therefore getting out of the habit of buting music at all, leading to a drop in album sales too.
My wish for vinyl is more to do with getting something for your money then anything else.(Well that and sound quality.)
I like the idea of going and getting more than one single on a Cd, but we kind of have that here too, with so many singles compilations coming out each year, that anyone can find one thats got exactly what they want, ie Smash Hits, Now etc.
I dont know what the answer to it is really, but the record industry have to do something. Our charts are now all to do with hype and nothing to do with sales, since record sales are calculated on sales to record stores, not sales to customers. They've lost all they're credibility, and I for one am not buying Cd singles ever again.
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| Solution: start putting out singles again. |
Umm....feel the need to point out here that in Britain you can still buy singles, on CD or cassette. However, they are far too expensive. Its £3.00 for a CD single (thats about $4.50, I think) and an album is £10.00 so you get three singles for the price of one album. Since UK albums have up to five (yes five!) singles on each one, people see this as a total rip off, and most bands make a loss on any single they put out, with occasional exceptions, like Oasis. Because people feel the price is too high, sales are dropping and dropping, people are finding new things to spend they're hard earned money on, and therefore getting out of the habit of buting music at all, leading to a drop in album sales too.
My wish for vinyl is more to do with getting something for your money then anything else.(Well that and sound quality.)
I like the idea of going and getting more than one single on a Cd, but we kind of have that here too, with so many singles compilations coming out each year, that anyone can find one thats got exactly what they want, ie Smash Hits, Now etc.
I dont know what the answer to it is really, but the record industry have to do something. Our charts are now all to do with hype and nothing to do with sales, since record sales are calculated on sales to record stores, not sales to customers. They've lost all they're credibility, and I for one am not buying Cd singles ever again.